Get out and SHOCK the vote

[Marshal Earp]

I honestly can't vote for either Obama or McCain.  I know that regardless of who wins, we're eating a shit sandwich...one just has more bread.  I'm completely undecided on this one.

The sad thing is I used to be a HUGE Johnny Mac guy. He was a true independent who stood up for what he believed in. Now, he's just a shade of what he used to be. It's actually kind of funny to see all the democrats who used to praise this guy to no end call him Bush now, but whatever, that's politics for ya.

Or maybe because he went completely off his rocker since he ran for the nomination in 2000?  If he had gotten the nomination back then, I totally would have voted for him.  Now he's practically senile. 

No arguements here.

[gorific89]

I honestly can't vote for either Obama or McCain.  I know that regardless of who wins, we're eating a shit sandwich...one just has more bread.  I'm completely undecided on this one.

I'll probably vote for McCain only because the idea of either party having absolute power in this country makes my skin crawl. I mean really, the pathetic state of our two party system with these power hungry, greedy corrupt bastards who believe in nothing but the sounds of their own voices having a filibuster proof house, senate AND the presidency? HAAAAA!!! No thanks.

So you'll vote for mcain because you dont want him or barack to be in power?

Yep, pretty much, I prefer for the american people to have the power, not the degenerate politicians.

Okay I'm trying to make sense of this...and this is the only way I'm able to take what you just said.

You are refering obama to be a degenerate politician, and mcain to be our action hero of the american people?

And ofcourse by saying this you are also telling me obama is not an american person...

Marshal...are you senile?

[Marshal Earp]

I honestly can't vote for either Obama or McCain.  I know that regardless of who wins, we're eating a shit sandwich...one just has more bread.  I'm completely undecided on this one.

I'll probably vote for McCain only because the idea of either party having absolute power in this country makes my skin crawl. I mean really, the pathetic state of our two party system with these power hungry, greedy corrupt bastards who believe in nothing but the sounds of their own voices having a filibuster proof house, senate AND the presidency? HAAAAA!!! No thanks.

So you'll vote for mcain because you dont want him or barack to be in power?

Yep, pretty much, I prefer for the american people to have the power, not the degenerate politicians.

Okay I'm trying to make sense of this...and this is the only way I'm able to take what you just said.

You are refering obama to be a degenerate politician, and mcain to be our action hero of the american people?

And ofcourse by saying this you are also telling me obama is not an american person...

Marshal...are you senile?

lolwut?

Gore I know you're young so let me give you brief explanation of what exactly is about to take place. If Obama wins this November and the democratics in congress get their 60 seats which it looks like they will, we will have the following:

A Democratic Prez

A Democratic House

A Democratic Senate

Fillibuster kryptonite

Sooooo, basically what I am saying is with the current state of degenerate politicains on both sides of the isle I am about as comfortable with either party having the above scenario as I would be of having a cucumber shoved up my ass, in other words not very. If McCain is president at least there will be somewhat a balance of power. Understand?

[Doomsday]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq8Uc5BFogE

lol

[Splatterscribe]

I'll probably vote for McCain only because the idea of either party having absolute power in this country makes my skin crawl. I mean really, the pathetic state of our two party system with these power hungry, greedy corrupt bastards who believe in nothing but the sounds of their own voices having a filibuster proof house, senate AND the presidency? HAAAAA!!! No thanks.

I've given this scenario a lot of thought. I myself am not sold on either candidate. Mccain is a shell of his former self and Palin shouldn't be anywhere near the White House. On the flip side, It isn't that I don't respect Obama's message, it's that I keep coming back to the fact that, throughout human history, some of the most notorious figures were ushered in not through violence but on the shoulders of a cheering populace.  This sounds like twisted logic, but in my eyes Obama is too popular. When they had that 30 minute special about him the other night and it ended by going live to right here in South Florida at the Bank Atlantic Center,  I watched the crowds cheering and thought to myself "This isn't a politcal rally- it's a fucking rock concert!" I find that unnerving.

In regards to the filibuster kryptonite : I agree that any one party having carte blanche is deeply troubling. The flip side to that, though,  is yet another constant veto war between parties where everything ends in a stalemate and nothing gets done.

Regardless, I will think this through and vote on the 4th because when people don't vote, they're not voting against anyone either. So if the winning candidate shits all over the country, the people who don't vote  may not have helped him get there, but neither did they do anything to stop him .

[Doomsday]

This sounds like twisted logic, but in my eyes Obama is too popular. When they had that 30 minute special about him the other night and it ended by going live to right here in South Florida at the Bank Atlantic Center,  I watched the crowds cheering and thought to myself "This isn't a politcal rally- it's a fucking rock concert!" I find that unnerving.

Remember Clinton's landslide victory against Dole?  He's still not that popular.  This is a black guy in politics... he's not exactly going to have all of America walking off of cliffs for him.  I know this just from the comments of some of my own redneck family members.  "I don't like McCain, but...."  and I'm too ashamed to type the rest of it.

Besides it was Bush who opened Guantanamo, tapped your phone, and tried to sell your medical records to the insurance industry.

[b0bo]

Be a real American and don't vote. Its not like your single vote will count anyway.

[gorific89]

I honestly can't vote for either Obama or McCain.  I know that regardless of who wins, we're eating a shit sandwich...one just has more bread.  I'm completely undecided on this one.

I'll probably vote for McCain only because the idea of either party having absolute power in this country makes my skin crawl. I mean really, the pathetic state of our two party system with these power hungry, greedy corrupt bastards who believe in nothing but the sounds of their own voices having a filibuster proof house, senate AND the presidency? HAAAAA!!! No thanks.

So you'll vote for mcain because you dont want him or barack to be in power?

Yep, pretty much, I prefer for the american people to have the power, not the degenerate politicians.

Okay I'm trying to make sense of this...and this is the only way I'm able to take what you just said.

You are refering obama to be a degenerate politician, and mcain to be our action hero of the american people?

And ofcourse by saying this you are also telling me obama is not an american person...

Marshal...are you senile?

lolwut?

Gore I know you're young so let me give you brief explanation of what exactly is about to take place. If Obama wins this November and the democratics in congress get their 60 seats which it looks like they will, we will have the following:

A Democratic Prez

A Democratic House

A Democratic Senate

Fillibuster kryptonite

Sooooo, basically what I am saying is with the current state of degenerate politicains on both sides of the isle I am about as comfortable with either party having the above scenario as I would be of having a cucumber shoved up my ass, in other words not very. If McCain is president at least there will be somewhat a balance of power. Understand?

Okay, you could have just said you need your meds...poor senile horror lovin' bastard...

Dont worry marsh, I'll be sure they'll put you in a good home...

but seriously now, you're saying that Mcain stands for a "balanced" congress? Okay, whatever. If you're comfortable with another four more years of this bullshit, power to you. You must be extremely happy living in your own little world. When palins president and having a tea party with congress which would then turn into multi--party affiliated stuffed unicorns, atleast someone can make sense of it all.

Meanwhile I'm going to go for rationality which I guess is the new cool and popular thing to do, which I guess is why you old folks dont like it.

[Doomsday]

Be a real American and don't vote. Its not like your single vote will count anyway.

I've been able to vote since 2000, but this is first time I'm actually gonna.  As long as our electoral college is winner-take-all, any liberal vote in Alabama literally does not count.

BUT, I'm hoping a huge minority turnout will swing some southern states into the blue.

[MamaMeka]

That’s the problem with Americans. We are so wrapped up into categorizing shit and judging it as a whole. What the fuck does it matter Democratic or Republican, black or white? Obama will most certainly be getting my vote. Not because he is a Democrat and not because he is black but simply because I feel that he is the best man for the job period. The thought of voting for McCain makes my skin crawl. It’s not even plausible for me to vote for a man that wants to continue to take a grand of my money every fucking pay check and if that isn’t enough, tax my health benefits while at the same time giving corporations a 200 billion dollar tax cut. The bastard is like Bush Lite. Instead I’m voting for the candidate that has what so many politicians seem to lack….common sense.

[Lord J]

Since the economy is pretty much screwed either way as well as the majority of the other major issues, I'm just going to vote for whoever is declared the official winner of the Dance-Off!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSJIORWj4tw

But seriously, despite the screwedness of it all, I feel it's important that everyone who can vote does so. Voting is like being in the passenger seat of a car that's headed toward a cliff and the driver's unconscious. We may live... we may all plummet to a fiery death. Regardless of what the outcome, I at least want to know that I put my hands on the wheel and attempted to do something about it.

[Splatterscribe]

This sounds like twisted logic, but in my eyes Obama is too popular. When they had that 30 minute special about him the other night and it ended by going live to right here in South Florida at the Bank Atlantic Center,  I watched the crowds cheering and thought to myself "This isn't a politcal rally- it's a fucking rock concert!" I find that unnerving.

Remember Clinton's landslide victory against Dole?  He's still not that popular.  This is a black guy in politics... he's not exactly going to have all of America walking off of cliffs for him.  I know this just from the comments of some of my own redneck family members.  "I don't like McCain, but...."  and I'm too ashamed to type the rest of it.

Besides it was Bush who opened Guantanamo, tapped your phone, and tried to sell your medical records to the insurance industry.

Ironcially his skin tone has never even beena factor for me. I couldn't give a crap less.  When it was suggested back in the day that Colin Powell might run for office , I was all for it. He'd have made a fantastic and honorable president.  And yeah, black man or not, there are people -millions of them- who already will walk off a cliff for Obama- just watch his supporters at any of his rallies. They're one step away from making him their new golden calf.

As to that comment about Bush: McCain notwithstanding, I do not now, never did and never will be a Bush supporter. I've never voted for him and I'm looking forward to the end of his presidency. I'm not even sure who I'm voting for. I may put a write-in down or go independent just to give the finger to the lot of them.


Gorific: Sounds like you're the one who's rationalizing, man. Checks and balances are one of the few ways one party is kept from running rampant all over the system ..and even that doesn't work all that well. If every division of government is controlled by the same party, they have free reign and no matter what your political leanings, that's a bad thing. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. I'm with Earp in trying to actually take a look further down the road to the time after the election. Not saying this will definitely get out of hand , but with a lopsided partisan government the probability is higher.

[PumpkinKing]

Regardless of what George Carlin may have said, if you don't vote your complaint later carries no weight. I won't say you can't complain, because this is America and you can complain about anything you want. Your complaint will have absolutely nothing to stand on, though, because you did nothing to affect the outcome. The flipside of saying if you vote for a candidate and he/she screws things up you can say "I didn't vote for that guy" is if you don't vote and the winner actually makes positive changes to the country you still have to say "I didn't vote for that guy".

[Doomsday]

This sounds like twisted logic, but in my eyes Obama is too popular. When they had that 30 minute special about him the other night and it ended by going live to right here in South Florida at the Bank Atlantic Center,  I watched the crowds cheering and thought to myself "This isn't a politcal rally- it's a fucking rock concert!" I find that unnerving.

Remember Clinton's landslide victory against Dole?  He's still not that popular.  This is a black guy in politics... he's not exactly going to have all of America walking off of cliffs for him.  I know this just from the comments of some of my own redneck family members.  "I don't like McCain, but...."  and I'm too ashamed to type the rest of it.

Besides it was Bush who opened Guantanamo, tapped your phone, and tried to sell your medical records to the insurance industry.

Ironcially his skin tone has never even beena factor for me. I couldn't give a crap less.  When it was suggested back in the day that Colin Powell might run for office , I was all for it. He'd have made a fantastic and honorable president.  And yeah, black man or not, there are people -millions of them- who already will walk off a cliff for Obama- just watch his supporters at any of his rallies. They're one step away from making him their new golden calf.

As to that comment about Bush: McCain notwithstanding, I do not now, never did and never will be a Bush supporter. I've never voted for him and I'm looking forward to the end of his presidency. I'm not even sure who I'm voting for. I may put a write-in down or go independent just to give the finger to the lot of them.

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I'm responding to your notion that Obama is too popular and your parallels to the "most notorius figures" being ushered in on the shoulders of cheering crowds.  I'm saying not voting for him for that reason doesn't make any sense.  He's not that popular, and we've already had our dictator.

[PumpkinKing]

I agree with you D-Day. Besides, wait until the final results are tallied. I'm a huge Obama supporter, but I know not to trust the polls. One thing they can't take into account is the closet racist who will say he is for Obama to a pollster, but when he gets in the privacy of the voter's booth, can't bring himself to vote for the minority candidate. And before anyone gets bent out of shape, I am not saying you are racist if you vote for McCain. The vast majority of McCain voters are people who believe he is the better candidate. Having volunteered for a popular black senatorial campaign years ago, however, I watched my candidate go into election day with 8-10% leads in the polls in two separate campains, only to have the white candidate win the race. I'm just hoping America has moved forward since that time.

Besides, Franklin D. Roosevelt was so popular he got elected president 4 times. History has shown FDR was a great president despite his landslide popularity. I'm not a fan of Ronald Reagan, but he also won by huge margins twice, and I doubt you'll find many republicans who will tell you he was a failure (and even many republicans who were staunch democrats before he ran for president). On the other hand, George W. Bush won narrowly twice (and actually lost the popular vote the first time), but is nowhere close to being considered a good president by anyone except the most loyal conservatives ( latest polls show under a 30% approval rating). The logic against popular politicians in American politics is majorly flawed.